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Jenny Davis 0:02
Nine months before we have the Commonwealth Games, in the UK, for all the Commonwealth nations in the world, we had one in Glasgow in 2014. So about nine or 10 months before the Commonwealth Games, I got booted off Team Scotland cycling squad, I think the reason for that was, I had performed really, really well and won medals for Team Scotland, the Delhi Commonwealth Games four years prior. And then the year after I was trying to gain qualification for the Olympic Games in London. And I had absolutely pedal to the metal, no pun intended for kind of three years, and then the year and a half after, you have to take some downtime. And at the point where I should have been ramping up in my performance, in the run up to Glasgow games, it should have been starting to ramp up, I was just stagnant. And I just was caught in this place where it I don’t know if it was motivation or just things didn’t really seem to move much. Despite the training that I was doing, and the time and energy and money that I was putting into my sport, so I got booted off the squad, and it was a bit of a shock because I was a Team Scotland medalist, I was the fastest female sprinter in Scotland and had fought or raced for my country for over 20 years. So it was a big shock, I went through that change curve super fast at the bottom, and with a bump.

Mary Lou Kayser 1:55
This is the play your position podcast where we call the plays and inspire you to run your ball into the end zone. Are you ready to score more game winning touchdowns in your life, business and career? Then listen up, because it’s game time, baby. Now, here’s your host, Mary Lou Kayser.

Hello, Team PYP Mary Lou Kayser here. Welcome to another episode of the play your position podcast. I’m excited because today I get to talk to one of my newest favourite people who is coming to us all the way from Edinburgh, Scotland. Her name is Jenny Davis. Jenny, are you ready for kickoff?

Jenny Davis 2:43
I’m ready to rock. I hope your listeners are ready for an interesting game.

Mary Lou Kayser 2:48
Oh, we’re always up for an interesting game. Yes, indeed. So team, this is what I know about Jenny Davis. First of all, she was the fastest woman in Scottish sprint cycling, and has won medals and just been an amazing athlete for many, many years. And today she’s taking some of those lessons that she learned as a world class cyclist from the sporting world into the business world. She uses timeless principles that she has successfully created so that businesses can go through change management and continuous improvement programmes that get them results. She’s worked with teams as small as five up to business units of 1500 and more. She lives and breathes the lessons that she has learned in sports to help entrepreneurs and business leaders lead their teams from crisis to performing to thriving, and in a world like ours today, with so much uncertainty. People like Jenny bring to the table, a calmness. She’s able to put out fires, she’s able to eliminate wasteful time blocks and make people more productive. She’s an amazing human and Jenny, I’m just so excited to have you on the show today.

Jenny Davis 4:17
Thanks Mary-Lou, brilliant introduction, and you’re one of my favourite podcasts to listen to personally. So I’m excited to be here and get to talk to you. Yeah,

Mary Lou Kayser 4:28
Absolutely. And I know people are going to be fascinated because of what you bring. Most of my audience is American and i’d love when I get the chance to talk to an international guest because you bring a perspective that is fresh and unique and also extremely valuable as we continue to build into a global community. We have our individual country nuances but generally speaking, all of us are raising our hands and saying, Yeah, we we want to play a bigger game, we want to have a better life, we want to leave some kind of legacy behind. And that’s where you’re at right now. So I would love for you to describe for listeners when you got the call to leadership, and what it’s like to be you in your current position.

Jenny Davis 5:19
So I guess there’s a few call to leadership I’ve had. So I’ve actually had two professional sporting careers, one in judo from super young age of 6 up to my early 20s, when I fought for Scotland, and GB all over the world, including the states, so in Vegas and Colorado, and then in my transition year at university, there was a talent transfer programme for track cycling, which isn’t your typical kind of sport to transition across from martial arts. But based on some coaching advice and a bit of a talent spot on the measures I was doing, I shifted across to track cycling and raced for Team Scotland and GB for 10 years on their programme, until I retired a couple years ago.

And I think across both of those sports, as you kind of move through the layers and become more professional and elite, people start to look up to you, and especially the youngsters that are coming through, hunting you down and chasing you. That’s one avenue, and then my sporting and professional working career kind of ran parallel. There’s times where it’s crossed over. So there were a lot of people in my working and professional life that respected what I did in the sporting world. And that helped me move into leadership position, through the different companies that I worked for, and into the company that I run just now.

So yeah, lots of twists and turns and how do I show up now? I do the best that I can add for myself. And for those around me. I’m really clear about what’s important and what I need to do each day to move forward and progress. I know you did an interview with Josh a couple of weeks ago. He talked about the importance of understanding what your priorities are and being really focused on those. So I kind of aim for the same message each morning. And you know, most day I managed to get what I need to get done. It can be a bumpy ride if you’re a leader, as you will know as well, Mary Lou.

Mary Lou Kayser 7:47
I do and your story is so interesting to me, because, you really did operate at a world class level in not one but two sports. I never achieved anything close to that but I have been athletic my whole life. And I think when you commit to performing through an athletic endeavour, whether it’s cycling or fencing, or running or swimming or whatever it may be, there’s a discipline that’s baked into that. You have to show up, you have to take care of yourself, you have to get coaching, sometimes you’re part of a team, and you have an instrumental role. And that all is really the foundation to great leadership. But that doesn’t mean that you’re not going to have the bumpy road to your point just now. Which leads me to my next question, what is the hardest thing for you about being a leader right now? You can talk about, you know, leading in your business, or just being a leader in general, given the conditions of the world at this time.

Jenny Davis 8:57
So I think the hardest thing right now, because we’re going through so much change and flux is staying the course just with everything that’s going on in the world right now. And part of that is about me knowing I’m on the right path for what I want to do in my life, and about making sure that I’m making the right decisions each day to help me make progress. There’s all this distraction and noise happening out in the world, multiple times a day if you let it. So there’s a bit for me about staying the course and making the decisions every day. And then probably even harder, my progress and how I support my clients is varied and their success is very dependent on how they do the same. And based on what’s going on in the world. Just now it’s been very stop, start with lots of ups and downs and people’s priorities have changed. How they have to function in their day to day life or own their personal lives, it’s changed and how people adapt and deal with that change is very different. So it means I’ve had to learn how to flex round that as best as they can and support others through potentially difficult circumstances, depending on what’s going on with them at the time.

Mary Lou Kayser 10:32
The ups and downs of the current conditions in the world is, it’s causing a lot of anguish for people. And I’m sure you encounter that, when you just in your private life, certainly, but also in your professional life, you meet people within organisations who they’re not only struggling with perhaps the technological shifts that they need to make in order to remain relevant. But they’re also facing those personal challenges with having to stay at home not being able to go and do some of the things that perhaps at one time, were a central part of the fabric of their lives. And for any, all of us who are sports fans of any kind, doesn’t matter if it’s American football, or it’s soccer in the in the rest of the world, or football is the official term, obviously, or going and watching the Olympics, like the Olympics, were cancelled for this summer. Because of it, right? We don’t get a Summer Games. And I just think of how, how challenging that is not only from an athletic standpoint, if you’ve been training for four years, and suddenly you’re told sorry, you know, can’t do it. But for people who support the athletes, for the fans of the athletes, it’s just it’s a crazy time. There’s no question. And so, as someone who has been coached Jenny for years, and also now is someone who is coaching others. Could you talk about what makes a coaching relationship work? What are some for people who are listening who may never have worked with the coach? Or they’re looking around and saying, Yeah, I had one, but I don’t know how great it was like, what should somebody look for? So that the relationship is a win win?

Jenny Davis 12:24
That’s really good question. I think it depends. What you need depends on where you are in life, but there’s probably some basic principles that are worth looking out for. So I was thinking back, I’ve had a coach since I was six, both in my sporting career, both through Judo and track cycling, multiple coaches, good and bad, some that I’ve got, as part of national squads and clubs, and some that, I’ve paid for myself because I wanted to progress even quicker, at the time, and then also in my professional career through mentoring at work. And then, in my own business, now, I hire coach when I need to move to the next level.

So I think the things that I look out for, I try and get some exposure to the person a little bit. My sport and careers, that’s been usually been pretty easy, because they’ve maybe been either a coach or somebody that’s been at events, or I know other athletes that have been able to provide some advice to working with that person. So I get to know them a little bit, understand kind of what they’re about, I guess a similar set of values and I feel they have enough experience to be able to help provide me with some guidance. Then after that, I just go for it and, and see, if it’s going to work out.

I think it’s really important that a good coaches really clear about what you want to achieve, where you currently are right now versus where you want to be and you know, in their position are going to be to help you close the gap on whatever the difference is between before and after. And sometimes that will be to hold your account and give you a push and help you get out your own way. Yes, I’ve had I’ve had plenty of those. And you know, then sometimes there are role is to praise you and tell you that you’re being too hard on yourself and you’ve got to take some time to rest because it’s hard work pushing all the time. I think finding somebody who links to your values, and has a good reputation is a good starting point. And then, you know, you usually have to have a bit of a kickoff session. And if they’re talking about where you are, where you want to go, and some of the things that they can do to support us, I think they’re all good indicators. And then after that, you’ve just got to judge as it’s progressing. And, you know, there’s been plenty of times in my, both my sporting and my professional careers where I’ve had coach and the relationship has gone as far as it needs to go. And it’s time to move on. And that’s okay, too.

Mary Lou Kayser 15:38
Thank you for saying that because I’ve had conversations with people over the years who were under the impression that their fear was, Oh, I’m gonna get into this, I’ll never be able to get out. And that’s not true at all. Coaching is like anything else in life, often is for a season or two. And depending on what you said your goals, how big is the gap between where you are and where you want to go. But like everything these things run their course in a natural way, like the seasons change, and trees, get their leaves, and then they fall I mean, it’s a similar way. And you did a really nice job Jenny of describing what to look for, and the things to think about. So I really appreciate you doing that. Because coaching is becoming more and more important as the world gets more complicated. And there’s so many different kinds of pressures and expectations on us that didn’t exist even a generation ago, because the world operates so differently. I would love for you to tell us about a time when you found yourself playing out of position. And maybe there wasn’t a coach there who could help you or save you from being metaphorically sacked, or intercepted or fumbling the ball. You could tell us a story from your athletic days, if you would like to, or you can tell us a story from your professional life. What caused the fumble to happen and how did you recover?

Jenny Davis 17:18
So I’m going to go with a sporting one but it connects to business thing later on. So my fumble was, I think it was nine months before we have the Commonwealth Games in UK for all the Commonwealth nations in the world. And we had one in Glasgow in 2014. So about nine or 10 months before the Commonwealth Games. I got booted off the team Scotland cycling squad. Hmm, I think the reason for that was I had performed really, really well and won medals for Team Scotland at daily Commonwealth Games four years prior. And then the previous the year after I just was pipped to the post for qualification for the Olympic Games in London. And I had absolutely pedalled to the metal, no pun intended for kind of three years, and then the year and a half after, you have to take some downtime. And at the point where I should have been ramping up my performance in the run up to Glasgow games, I was just stagnant. I just was caught in this place where, I don’t know if it was motivation or just things didn’t really seem to move much despite the training that I was doing, and the time and energy and money that I was putting into my sport. So I got booted off the squad, and it was a bit of a shock because like I was a Team Scotland medalist, I was the fastest female sprinter in Scotland at the time, I had fought or raced for my country for over 20 years.

So it was a big shock. I went through that change curve like super fast. I hit, the bottom with a bump, and then decided that, you know, I had quite a limited amount of time and I I didn’t really know how I was going to claw it back. And a few weeks my team’s sprint partner, her dad had said I’ll look if you ever want to do any training sessions, give me a shout. And you know he was super passionate high energy and a lot of people were scared to work with somebody like that because it’s just like a ray of sunshine that walks into the velodrome and I was at my lowest point and I’ve just randomly phoned him and said, You know, this is where I am, can I come up and train and he went. Yeah, get on the train now. Just come up. And I was like, found myself on the train, like 30 minutes later, and I never did that kind of thing never. I’m a reflector so normally I’ll sit and think about it for a wee while. But I was at a place that I needed to move. And I just didn’t think about it.

So I started working with Mike. And on that day he assessed where I was currently and where I needed to be. And we trained that day, in what we call the lab, which is where we do all the training and do all our like cycling tests and stuff. At the end of that first day training session, I was sick in the middle of the street. Because I pushed myself. And then I decided that was that I was going to train with him. You know, he was somebody that I chose to pay. So I started a official coaching relationship with him.

Six weeks later, I raced and my numbers had exponentially moved so much that I hadn’t even left the velodrome that night and I was told I was back on the squad. But what was interesting as part of that story was there were coaches that I stopped working with. And there were new ones that I did start working with a Mike was kinda like the head guy, and all that. So you know, it was only probably seven or eight weeks and in the end the actual transformation from starting with him to be in back on the squad was only six weeks. That was all it took. I just needed a change of direction.

Mary Lou Kayser 22:06
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And that experience, Jenny, I know has informed the work you’re starting to do now as your own business leader, you have your own company that you’re building and what is so magical when you look back at that time. And then you think about the work that you’ve done with some teams and some professional settings. What is so magical about that six week period in terms of the ability to transform?

Jenny Davis 23:05
So I think in business, so if we do a comparison to sports just for the second; sports athletes tend to have their dates set in stone and there’s nothing they can do about it. So the Olympic Committee pick the dates and location of the next of the Olympics in seven years time. And that is when people like British Cycling, that is when they start to prepare for that Olympics. Seven years before and everything that they do is backward engineered up to that point. In business, you don’t really have that. You have like a new financial year. Sometimes there may be an industry dates like tax year end or something like that. Or maybe it’s if it’s a seasonal business, like where your boiler might break down in the winter, or pubs in the summertime with Wimbledon tennis or with the you know, the NFL or the basketball season. So in sports, those dates are very predictable. And people tend to go through these, they call them blocks in sport where they train and they do better. They do some planning. And they tend to run in these blocks of anything from between 3-6-9 week blocks, and then you just add them all together as your months and years progress. In business you don’t really have those dates. So sometimes change can kind of just without anything to aim for in terms of a target date. Sometimes it just blends and things never get done. There’s no deadline.

So the six week challenge was brilliant, because it was put in place, it gave people an end date, right, and it gave them something to work back and backward engineer what they were going to do. And it also meant, you know, sometimes I would say you’ve got six weeks, sometimes I would say you’ve got 12 weeks, and they could pick something that’s a little bit bigger. So we flex it, but it allows them to focus and make improvements in our block. And because there’s accountability, and because there’s a support structure in place, and so on, the chance of them completing it, and, you know, moving through it and completing it, and then getting the results off the back of it is much, much greater, because they have a target or an end date to aim for, where they’re going to stand up and share their their success stories, or the time that they’ve saved or the money that they’ve managed to save, or, you know, their profit increase, right, all of that they stand up at the end and share. So just like at the Olympics, where the athletes stand on the podium, at the end of the six week challenge, people share what they’ve done, and they get rewarded and recognised for the amazing things that they’ve managed to achieve in that in that block.

Mary Lou Kayser 26:20
That’s fabulous. And the part about I was nodding my head vigorously when you were describing that open ended feeling of without any kind of date on the calendar about this is, you know, like the Olympics, or this is when we’re going to be showing up for this particular game. This, can just become this, like you said, nothing gets done, because there’s no accountability baked in on the calendar. And what I’ve been hearing you say today, several times without actually saying it is that you’ve got, you know, to be to improve to become better at whatever it is you’ve said you want to get better at, you’ve got to have those benchmarks, those clearly defined lines in the sand like this is it and then reverse engineer and I know you’ve worked with a previous guest here on PYP. Josh Fonger, who talked all about working the system? What is it about systems Jenny, that you just love? Because that’s the lane that you run in? You really love systems and helping people do that reverse engineering? What led you to raise your hand to lead in that particular category versus anything else you could have done?

Jenny Davis 27:42
So I think it’s some I think the main drivers for it are that there’s certain things in life that people make really hard, and there’s just no need.

Mary Lou Kayser 27:57
Really, we do that.

Jenny Davis 28:00
And I think it’s I guess the main principles is systems thinking is, if you do a task multiple times, then it’s good to work out what’s the best way to do it, and, and to have it documented. And then it means that every time you do it, the result is predictable. It means that you’re not wasting your time or energy, trying to fight your way through a process that you do every day, but you just haven’t put it down on paper and work out what’s the quickest and best way to get the best results.

And if you do that, it frees up your time and energy and your money on the things that are more important in life. So I’m big on creativity and playing, not systems just playing with whatever it is that you love to do in life. And you know, hanging out with friends and being completely unpredictable. But to be able to have time to do that. You can save it in other places.

So I know I mentioned to you a week or so ago that I have a checklist that when I do podcast interviews, as I’m going through things are tick it off and it sounds really dumb, but you’ve got on your checklist for guests to drink some water. And you know, it sounds like a silly thing to put on there. But it’s really important. If I had been flapping around and busy and stressed and I forgot then I may have had like a really husky voice. Some people may like that. It’s not the best. And you know, the PYP listeners are having to get to grips with my Scottish accent as well as I don’t want them to fight against the huskiness.

With the checklist, I didn’t need to think I just looked at and went tick tick tick tick tick, I’m ready to have a good chat with Mary Lou and hopefully share as much as I can. So my energy is in the conversation now, it’s not worrying about our man my mouth is dry or i’m bursting on the toilet, or somebody’s knocking on the door because they didn’t see my recording sign and stuff like that. So it’s just about removing waste, saving time and energy so that you can put all that good stuff into your creativity and doing things you really enjoy in life.

Mary Lou Kayser 30:43
That’s right, and you are so skilled at helping people do just that you have a laser eye you will come in and are immediately can point out, here’s a pocket of waste. Here’s another place where I remember when we were talking, before this conversation, you talked about the inefficiency of email systems and email has been around now for a long time. It’s not like that it’s a new system that were just being introduced to I mean, email has been on the scene since like the mid 90s. And maybe in some organisations, even before that, so we’re talking 25-30 years, and yet, you will go into businesses and discover the statistics are accurate. Like I think we were talking about 28% of a professionals day is spent wrangling around in email, what that’s almost a third of your working hours is dealing with email. And what a man if I was spending a third of my day on email, I think I would just go jump in the river. I just couldn’t handle it.

Jenny Davis 31:54
Here’s a good question for you Mary Lou. Have you ever told anyone in your life? The highlight of your week was something in your email?

Mary Lou Kayser 32:06
Like maybe once, like when I got a really good email, but no, absolutely not.

Jenny Davis 32:13
So why spend so much time it’s just such a, you know, it draws you in? And there’s new stuff that come in, and it may be exciting, or it may not most of the time. So yes, it’s a really, really great tool. But you’ve got it to learn to control it and control yourself.

Mary Lou Kayser 32:33
Yes.

Jenny Davis 32:35
You control it, it doesn’t control you. I think that’s the number one thing with email. And there’s things that you can do in terms of rules and stuff behind the scenes that will help you manage that. It is one of the time sucks of the 21st century definitely,

Mary Lou Kayser 32:54
Definitely. And again, systems thinking and the kind of the kind of work that you’re able to do with people helps eliminate those time wasters and gives people the time back to focus on programmes that will help their business grow or create a whole new category or, you know, fix a problem that they haven’t had time for because they’re dealing with a problem that they shouldn’t even be dealing with, which is email. Oh, that’s great. Well, we’re at the part of the show Jenny, I call touchdown. And you’re familiar with this because you are a longtime listener. So I’m putting you in the red zone and work with me here. I know, we’re across the pond, but you you’re an athlete, and you get this. I was thinking like I’m I guess you’re coming to the end. You know, it’s it’s the very tail end of your race. And you can see the leader in front of you. And you know that you can pass or you know that you’ve got it in you for one last push. It’s now or never tell us a story about a time when this happened to you when you scored that game winning touchdown.

Jenny Davis 34:07
So this is linked to the earlier story about being booted off this squad, six weeks, and then getting back on so my touchdown story was just after that happened, where I had fumbled the ball and managed to catch it again and get it over the lane. I was running a continuous improvement programme in a financial company. And I knew that when I was there, the results that you know, things moved and the results were really good and the senior leaders loved it. And there’s lots of people going through development and getting some Lean Six Sigma qualifications as part of that. But when I wasn’t there, it just there was no momentum behind it and it didn’t run anywhere near the pace that it needed to be to meet the targets, and that was going to be a problem because I had Glasgow Commonwealth Games coming out, and I was going to be in holding camps, and potentially out of the business for, you know, 10 to 12 weeks. And the business couldn’t afford to not chase after improvements and efficiencies for a quarter of the year, they just couldn’t afford to do that.

So I launched ‘The 6 week Challenge’. Six weeks, because that’s how long it took me to claw back my way back onto national squad. So that was very personal. It wasn’t anything to do with me engineering it at the time, I just chose that because it was part of my personal story. And I ran the challenge once when I was in the office. And the results were really good, good enough for me to feel like if I launched this properly, and then I leave if I makd sure I have got the right support in place, and some other champions to help when people get stuck. I’ll go off and do my holding camps and final preparations for Commonwelth Games. And then when I come back, hopefully the results would be good.

And when I came back, the results were even better than when I was in the office. And I was like, I was so happy but I had a little bit of an ego dent. Because up until that point, I thought oh, it’s all about me. But it wasn’t. It was about me, leading others to be able to do that with the right, help them put the right structure and the right support. And for that short period of time, when I wasn’t there, I had the right leaders in positions to help them. And all of that fell into place. And the results that they got were absolutely stunning. And they continue in that company I left years ago. There’s some things that were implemented that still run today I caught somebody at the beginning of the year at an evening do and they said their main improvement was still going three or four years later.

So I think that was a leadership touchdown story for me, and also gave me the best touchdown story that I have. And that I guess that season as part of the improvements was it was our productivity change. Complete change in habit for people not a system change. No, it is just a habit change that saved hundreds of people just a couple of hours a week. But when you have hundreds of people that save a few hours a week compounded. It was like over 1000 hours a week. That company saved out that in money was a million and a half pound in cost. Just removed one habit change. And I’ve been improving the programme structure and the materials and leadership approach over the years now, and that’s, as you said, that’s what my business is focused on today, and all came from my origin story of when I fumbled, fumbled the ball in the velodrome back in 2013.

Mary Lou Kayser 38:27
Yeah. so beautifully told, wonderful, wonderful story. And my big takeaway is that sometimes, from our darkest hour comes our brightest light, and how smart you were to recognise that you could take the experience you had in six weeks, getting back onto the team, and then translate that into the professional world. And in conversations that we’ve had OFF AIR you’ve shared with me that audiences resonate so so deeply with that story because it is universal. You know, it’s, you overcame a really tough obstacle and we’re able to make something amazing out of it. And everybody loves a comeback story. And you do the same thing. I also love how you recognise after you got over the ego dent, I love that phrase an ego dent. you recognise these guys don’t need me and that is your success, right as a coach. That’s your greatest success when you see that habit change when you see that fundamental progress happened. And you can walk away knowing your work is done here. It’s beautiful. So as we wind things down, Jenny, I love to ask each guest to share 123 key offensive strategies straight out of your leadership playbook that listeners could take away today and use to make some forward progress in their work. And or their life, what can you share with us?

Jenny Davis 40:03
Sure so I have one teeny tiny tactic which people can go away and do right now if they want. And Ive got another one that is more of a go away and have a think about it and hopefully that will help people think and maybe do something differently.

So my tactic one is, as I said earlier my best touch down story and the biggest improvement in terms of business story was all about distraction control. My tactical advice for everyone based on that story is to take blocks of time throughout the day, maybe an hour in the morning and an hour in the afternoon where you have no distractions. So switch off your phone and your computer notifications, close down your emails and your diary, stop looking at your email or your facebook or your social media and really focus 100% on the things that’s most important to you in that day. It might be work or it might be family time or it might be the precious time you need to do something for you. Just going out and enjoying a walk with no distractions. That was the best improvement story in business so far by a country mile: distraction control. But you’ve got to own it and take control and not let the phone or the computer control your time. Block out your time maybe a wee bit in the morning and a wee bit in the afternoon and focus on what’s most important in that time block.

And the other one which is a bit more, for you to have a think about and Mary Lou I know you’ll like this one… in one of John Wooden’s book’s, the really famous basketball coach out in the States. One of the chapters, he talks about every day you only get, you only get 24 hours per day. The actual chapter title is 86400 seconds. That’s what you get everyday, and I guess my thing for you to think about is you only get one life and the time that you have here is limited so do not waste it. Make the most of every single day that you have to help yourself and other people and do the things that bring you joy and help you grow. But to do that you’ve got to get rid of the stuff that isn’t helpful or brings value so distraction control is one little part of it. Have a think, take a step back and think about what is adding value to your life and what isn’t and get rid of the stuff that isn’t and if you need people to help you like me or a coach like Mary-Lou then come and ask or just go for it yourself, you know there’s lots of things you can do. The world is not a, you know the information is out there, the gap is taking it and doing it yourself. That’s the two things I was going to leave with the PYP Team today.

Mary Lou Kayser 43:16
Love it. Thank you for that Jenny. Thank you so much. And for people who wanna connect with you and want to learn more about your services and just maybe see some cool photos and you and your cycling garb where do you hang out online?

Jenny Davis 43:35
They can visit my website which is www.strivechange.org. I’ve added a special page on the website so after .org if you add /pyp and I’ve added a little taster of the distraction control story and how you can take that and apply to yourself. There’s a little webinar you can sign up for. Otherwise I’m on linkedin if people want to connect and have a conversation.

Mary Lou Kayser 44:12
Love it. And these links will be on Jenny’s show notes page over at www.pyppodcast.com and you can also poke them right from your listening device if you happen to be listening to this on your smart phone. And Jenny, this has been amazing, before we say goodbye, tell us who your team is and I love the international flair so when you have some of that precious downtime and you’re able to relax and enjoy a bit of the sport who or what are you watching?

Jenny Davis 44:39
I’m a big rugby fan which is kind of the American football equivalent over in the UK. Obviously Team Scotland to the core. The Scotland England games are really good over here, good atmosphere. We refer to the english as the auld enemy from a long long long time ago when al the battles were fought with Edward the Longshanks and all the kind of stuff. And obviously with me being a track cyclist, that’s a big Olympic sport so I’m big on Team GB at the Olympics, hopefully it will roll around next year

Mary Lou Kayser 45:30
Yes yes, thank you for sharing the long history of rugby between the two countries Scotland and England. I love it, I love it so much. This has been fabulous Jenny, you are such a delight to talk to and I appreciate your time and your generosity with Team PYP and I wish you all the best as you continue on your journey.

Jenny Davis 45:55
Thank Mary-Lou, great to be here.

Mary Lou Kayser 45:58
Hey team, Mary Lou Kayser here, thanks so much for listening to another episode of the play your position podcast. Be sure to check out the show notes pages, to connect with me on social media and while you’re at it, leave us a review on iTunes. I read them all and appreciate every single one. Also, if you haven’t already grabbed your free leadership play book on the 11 skills that can make you an exceptional leader get it today over a www.pyppodcast.com. You can grab it right under the video on the home page. See you next time.

This podcast was produced by Daniel Ranairo. Show notes for this podcast can be found over at www.pyppodcast.com. I’m Mary-Lou Kayser. Thanks for listening.